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Originally Posted by Nell
Isaiah 9:10 is a vow of defiance. Isaiah 9:11 is a prophecy of future calamity.
On September 12, 2001, the day after the attacks on America, Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, in a speech on Capitol Hill quotes Isaiah 9:10...we will rebuild. He is surely totally unaware that this verse is a vow of defiance to God. Yet, here is the vow.
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On what basis does this now-fulfilled prophecy relating to Israel apply to the US?
Are we given Carte Blanche to find similarities of modern events to events in the OT times and force them to be prophecies about now? It that because Jesus and the other NT writers seemed to be able to repurpose the propchecy about a virgin (young woman?) bearing a child to be a foretelling of the coming Messiah?
This is not even Christian. It is making the revelation of God into the book of mysterious prophecies. It turns the message of Christ into the message of America. And if the message of Christ looks too much like the message of America (even in its allegedly "better" days) then I will probably give up by status as a card-carrying believer. Those days were the days of slavery. Of witch hunts. Of the partial slaughter and ultimate subjugation of the indigenous people of the land in the name of "manifest destiny."
We think the early days were so blessed? In 1812, our nation was under attack by the British. They burned our capital. It was essentially a stalemate. We did not win the war (that is revisionist history). Instead, the British decided that it was stretching its resources too thin to fight us while they fought Napoleon and France, so they signed a treaty and let us go in peace.
Blessed nations don't have to send warships to Africa to stop others from plundering their merchant vessels on the seas.
Go to the cemeteries of rural parts of the US and look for rashes of deaths during specific time periods a century and more ago. Famine? Cholera? Typhoid? Attack by hostiles? Don't look specially blessed.
I am not claiming that we have had a specially harsh time. Not really anything different than many others. But since we like to cherry pick what kind of benefit we will call a blessing, then almost everyone can lay claim to blessings. And many of them can do so without being able to claim to follow the God of the Bible at all. Democracy began with an experiment in Athens prior to Christ (and without any Jewish influence) in a land full of idolatry. And so on.
You keep saying things like "if you see it." Well, it is something that can be read into scripture just like the ground of the church, joining the KKK being to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, the prosperity gospel, and so many other things that are not there in the text, but are found between the lines by people with something they want to find between the lines.
Note that most of the things attributed to Nostradamus are either so vague as to be subject to easy revisionism, or were never written by him. The same can be said of these kinds of things that are not associated with the gospel of Christ.
I pray that you will be awakened from this stupor. That sound teachings concerning Christ will return as the thing that comes from scripture.