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Originally Posted by Matt
I said, "every single soul who went into the LC and loved it at any stage of their experience there..." The word it refers to the LC, not the Lord. If you fell in love with the LC then you went into a level of idolatry. The reason I say this is because the LC was almost never (except in the very early 60's) just the "church in your locality". It was a system of interconnected churches across many localities. It was interconnected by a particular ministry (Witness Lee's).
We are not to worship the Body of Christ. We are to worship God. We are called to love the members of the Body, not the Body as a concept. This is part of what has happened in the LC. The Body of Christ has been worshipped on par with God. We see it in it's extreme form among the Blended's, but it was/is present in lesser forms among many, many more from the LC.
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Hi All,
I would like to use this point to first, show the word dancing that is going on in trying to prove a point. Again, there is a very small minority that
may fit this position, but we were mostly Christians loving the Lord and loving the brothers and sisters (the church). This matter of worshipping the church I think, began materializing late in the game for some who did not want to see the glory days of yesterday fade away, so they created a doctrine and quarantined any who would not follow; interestingly enough, using the leading ones perceptions of idolatry to scare any who would not follow their twisted way.
But let me get to my main point; We each have our own idols that we must deal with, when we point fingers at others idols we are stepping over a line we were never intended to cross.
Let me use some general examples. Have you ever tried to help a recovering substance abuser? As the Lord delivers him from his addictions he is finding grace to overcome his demons, but for one inexperienced in this matter, who is trying to help him see his idol, it usually ends poorly because you just don't know what that person is going through. This is not to say you have to become an substance abuser before you can treat one, but the most effective teachers are the ones have been there, and know how to bring others through it.
The missing element is experience and I think this is what is most lacking from your well constructed doctrine. If I can use your own experiences as an example, you could make very clear how the Lord has exposed idols in your life and I'm sure that your conclusions would not be questioned, because your very own experience supports it. But when you try to build a case of others idolatry you seem to be fighting a losing battle, for it runs up against others experience and in the end is found lacking in validity.
This is not a "mind your own bussiness" post, only a suggestion that you should stick to presenting truths founded on your own personal experiences. If your conclusions do not have the support of the ones who have a direct experience, Do not discount them as Too blind to see what you see, for the truly blind one is the one lacking in experience.
Is this not what came into the LC, leading ones who helped others see what the leading ones percieved as their "Idols?" Then using their authority to enforce what they saw and not what the ufortunate saint saw?
I feel scripture is very clear, that we each are responsible for our own life and in dealing with the sin, flesh and idols that come with it. I cannot deal with your sins, flesh and idols, but I can help you by encouraging you to pray for our Lord to expose the dark, hidden things in your life, that by His light and in the power of His grace the dark things can be confessed and washed away in His cleansing blood.
Shawn