Dave

I realized the difference in dates when John and Bill were kicked out and when Titus was kicked out. The material on the web is extensive. I have heard of Nigel but was unfamiliar with his relationship with the "brothers'. I knew John and Bill but I never met Titus although many brothers I worked with in the LC knew him well. Titus was never part of the LC in crowd and was visited by WL infrequently. The in crowd were mostly in Anaheim and Texas. The two who migrated to Detroit in 1971 (Ron Kangas and the other escapes me) became two of the three elders in Detroit. I knew Ron Kangas quite well and from my perspective he was always more a "spiritual" type of person even though he was very bright as reflective of his Princeton U. background. The elders in Detroit were more heavy handed (mostly from the Anaheim influence) than I had experienced elsewhere but I never desired to be a part of the inner circle myself since I was more involved in "recruitment" on campuses and of other groups in the area to put it in its simplest terms. I read some of what Nigel said about the Song of Songs and I quite agree although it kinds of breaks my bubble of what I experienced back in the day.