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Old 08-01-2014, 09:45 PM   #392
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Default Re: "Become" or "Not Become" Interpreting 1Cor 15:45

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Originally Posted by zeek View Post
It makes no difference in terms of the truth or falsity of Gaffin's claim whether he got it from Lee or not. He might have found it in a box of Cracker Jacks.
I guess I need to start eating Cracker Jacks again.

And I think it would be very important to know if, and I say if, Lee influenced Gaffin. It was a wild thought, brought on by you, if I'm not mistaken. We'll let it go. It's a moot point now.

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Originally Posted by Z
What count's are the merits of his arguments and supporting evidence.
Just to point it out. Gaffin references Galatians three times in his journal:

Gal
2:20. (resurrection)
4:4. "work of restoring the entire creation, begun in sending his Son “in the fullness of time”
5:22-23. "The truly enduring work of the Spirit is the resurrection renewal already experienced by every believer. And that renewal manifests itself in what Paul calls “fruit”—like faith, hope and love, joy and peace (to mention just some, . . ."

But, oddly I think, doesn't use the verse you thought supported 15:45:
Gal 4:6 - "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."

The "merits of his [Gaffin] arguments and supporting evidence" will be in the eye of the beholder.

First of all Gaffin claims:
"it seems fair to say, across a broad front a substantial majority of commentators and other interpreters who address the issue recognize a reference to the Holy Spirit in v. 45."

I haven't fact-checked this claim so can't speak to its merit.

Gaffin, also, seeking merit for his claim, states:
"virtually all the standard English translations, for whatever reasons, continue to render “spirit” in v. 45 with a small “s.” The most notable exceptions are the Living Bible (and now the New Living Translation) and Today’s English Version. They—correctly, I believe—capitalize “Spirit.”

As to life-giving spirit, Gaffin points to:
Acts 2:32–33 (“God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. Exalted therefore to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear”). As “the life-giving Spirit,” (the resurrected and ascended) Christ is the one who baptizes with the Spirit.

And to:
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

To Gaffin the "became" in 15:45 has now, in Paul's 2nd to the Corinthians, become "is" : "the Lord is that Spirit."

And also to:
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

And for my last example (and there are more):
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


You decide the merits. What say ye, or others?
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