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Originally Posted by OBW
I will pull a Harold here. We are acting as if it is knowing which kind of reference to S/spirit it is that is important to gaining the life. But it is really the words of Jesus that are the key. We are a "cargo cult" that thinks getting the periphery right makes everything right as we miss the real message that is in the words of Christ. And that message was not really about figuring out the S/spirit, but in believing and obeying. Yes. It is in that order. You must first believe. But after that, if you don't obey, it doesn't matter how well you figure out the correct meaning of T/the S/spirit Who/that gives life. You will have that spark of salvation, but you will be busy missing the next step while thinking that your mental understanding makes it all better.
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I agree 100%. But isn't the whole point of the discussion to see if Lee was wrong about something? And if that's the goal, then nailing down the meaning of these verses is necessary.