07-18-2014, 08:20 PM
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Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον For God So Loved The World
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Re: "Become" or "Not Become" Interpreting 1Cor 15:45
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Originally Posted by zeek
Those are claims. I don't know how Paul knows. My understanding and belief in it I call faith not knowledge.
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This is totally and absolutely unresponsive to what I posted. No, we do not have HD digital video of Paul's interactions with the Lord Jesus in those three years...but we have a record of what he related in writing to the Corinthians regarding some of those "visions and revelations". Some of those were relating to the resurrection body of the Lord Jesus and the resurrection body we will receive. This is what this 15th chapter of 1 Corinthians is all about. These writings are part of what was accepted as the New Testament canon back in the 4th century. And NO, we are not going to re-litigate and put the New Testament on trial again. At least NOT on this forum.
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Doing sound theology and exegesis is not pure speculation. Yes, we do come to the Bible with the assumption that it is an infallible factual source, glad you said it! Unfortunately for some, this matter is not up for debate on this forum. There are too many rabbit trails to get off track as it is without having to litigate whether every jot or tittle is the Word of God. There are TONS of forums out there where this kind of thing is the main fare. This forum is not one of them.
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Originally Posted by zeek
Right. I'm not challenging your assumption. Just observing that you believe you have knowledge based on the assumption that the claims are true. That is circular logic. That does not mean that it necessarily isn't true, but it isn't justified by logic or evidence. Belief without evidence or logic is called faith. I'm not challenging it. Just trying to call it what it is.
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"believe you have knowledge"? I'll let you slide by with this one for now
Of course I believe...or assume...you pick which one you want to tie me to...that all the "claims" in the Bible are true. Especially when it comes to the resurrection because, like the apostle Paul said, And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain - And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.
I can only surmise from what you have written here is that you think anybody who expresses his belief in, or his faith in that the Bible is the Word of God is engaging in circular logic. Sorry, zeek, this is not going to work here on this forum.
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