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Originally Posted by UntoHim

Sure you do! You've been participating in this thread and following what has been posted, right? I assume you've actually read through 1 Cor 15, right? The apostle Paul has given us as close of a description as humanly possible. "There is a natural body"....he explains. "There is a spiritual body"...he explains by way of comparison. "if there is a natural body, there is a spiritual body". The man was living in the first century, working with a culture and a vocabulary of the first century. This is why he used the metaphor of the seed and the grown plant - he was living and teaching among an agrarian society. And guess what, almost 2,000 years later the metaphor still holds up....we still have seeds and we still have grown plants...isn't God wise!

Those are claims. I don't know how Paul knows. My understanding and belief in it I call faith not knowledge.

Doing sound theology and exegesis is not pure speculation. Yes, we do come to the Bible with the assumption that it is an infallible factual source, glad you said it! Unfortunately for some, this matter is not up for debate on this forum. There are too many rabbit trails to get off track as it is without having to litigate whether every jot or tittle is the Word of God. There are TONS of forums out there where this kind of thing is the main fare. This forum is not one of them.

Right. I'm not challenging your assumption. Just observing that you believe you have knowledge based on the assumption that the claims are true. That is circular logic. That does not mean that it necessarily isn't true, but it isn't justified by logic or evidence. Belief without evidence or logic is called faith. I'm not challenging it. Just trying to call it what it is.

I don't believe the resurrection was much of a subject among any of the Jews of the day, at least not bodily resurrection. Even the disciples, who had been at Jesus side for about 3 years, did not seem to understand much about the resurrection. Jesus boldly declared to the Jewish leaders seeking to kill him: "destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up". Jesus was not talking about his soul or his spirit, he was talking about his physical body. (his soul and spirit never died).

Acts 23 :6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

Acts 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.