[Hope]

Matt,

I have a few minutes before closing the office for the day. I have a couple of questions for you. Why is it so critical in our discussion of the lc, WL and WN etc. to make everyone and every place the same?

Here are a few quotes from one of your posts.

Originally Posted by Matt

Here is what I have thought since the beginning of this thread.

A. The LC system was too big for any one person to believe that they would not be succumbed by it. The only way not to be overcome by it is to leave it.

Matt, if after one has left the system, how long before they can assume they are no longer subdued. I have been out for over 20 years. Long enough? Is there some mia culpas required or some formal recanting or confessions? I have not read any WL since at least 1986 and that was critique reading of the elders books. What else is needed?

Part of what I have said has come from a resistance against one who feels that somehow they were a leader in the LC system and yet was not affected the same way everyone else was. I believe this is not true and the willingness to reconfront the facts with the appropriate person(s) would prove this out. In attempting to carve out a particular locality as being somewhat better, I felt it was necessary to resist this strongly. I know differently. I know the system that was established by the Enemy of God compromised everyone. I know the locality in question was not better.

Matt, do you know differently in principle, in details, in some cases, in all cases and all persons at any time without exception? For example: How were George Whitington and Ray Graver the same? Were they different in anyway? How many of the members or leaders had a thought they joined the LC system? Could there be any other dynamics at work?

but in the face of any attempts to recover the unrecoverable.

Matt, could you make it a little clearer what falls under the category of “unrecoverable?” Were there any experiences or relationships in say the church in Dallas that are worth preserving or recovering? Are any of the people in the church in Dallas with their functions in the Body of Christ worth recovering?

My personal point of view: Do not be deceived by any person, leader or ex-leader who comes to you with enticing words.

Matt, could you be a little more specific about what enticing words you have in mind? Are there some particular deceptions that you have in mind? Please share some specific examples.

Consider the fact that the tasty delights that come from men's ministries can be leavened and you don't even know it until you have enough of your own grounding in the Word to challenge their ministry.

Did you have any specific men’s ministries in mind?

Can you share about your experiences of challenging someone’s ministry? What was the outcome?

In Christ Jesus,

Hope, Don Rutledge