07-05-2014, 12:23 PM
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Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον For God So Loved The World
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Re: "Become" or "Not Become" Interpreting 1Cor 15:45
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Originally Posted by zeek
You have stated that you are an inerrantist in the past according to my recollection. That isn't something that changes with you from thread to thread is it?
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Sorry not directly relevant to this thread. It's a rabbit hole that I'm not going to let you lead us down into today. Another discussion for another day maybe.
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The definition I gave --that a spirit is a person without a body works in many but not all the contexts I have applied it to. The usual exception is when spirit is used to refer to a suchness or subtle essence.
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You can define spirit any way you want to, but that does not make it a "biblical" definition. I noticed you pointed us to a non Christian, non biblical reference for help with your definition:Filled with all sorts of speculations and postulations from physicists and biologists - sorry but these are the wrong fellows to help us with our BIBLICAL definition of spirit. If you want start quoting world renowned theologians as a extra-biblical source, then maybe we can have a discussion based of their definitions, exegesis and interpretations.
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It seems that Paul was using the word here in a special sense. He is contrasting the last Adam with the first whom he has said is a living soul. It is not that Adam has a soul, but that he becomes one. In other words, soul is constitutes his being. So the parallel figure, the last Adam, becomes a life-giving spirit. To say he becomes a spiritual body would not have been parallel and would not have been inclusive of his entire being. It isn't that he has a spirit, it is that spirit constitutes his being. As the first Adam's body is included in the fact of being a living soul, the last Adam's body is included in the fact of being a life-giving spirit. That seems like a plausible interpretation to me at the moment. What do you think?
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I think what you have written here is light-years ahead of what Witness Lee ever said. The main thing, I believe, is to keep our eyes OFF OF the ball of "the Trinity" or even the actions of the Trinity, but follow the apostles progression of thought regarding WHAT the first Adam became - "a living soul" and WHAT (not who) the last Adam became - "a life-giving spirit". A few versions use the term "was made" in place of "became". I like this term "was made" a little better, but my linguistic skills are not good enough to intelligently confirm this.
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