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Originally Posted by UntoHim
[COLOR="Navy"]Juan,
First of all WELCOME TO THE FORUM! Please feel free to give us a short testimony when you get a chance.
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Thank you UH, I'll try to attend to it later or "in due time."
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Originally Posted by UntoHim
[The points you have made here are very well reasoned and to be well taken, however, in a sense, and in so many words, the Bible itself seems to tell us to treat it as if it were God Himself, or at the very least it is divine. Now when I say divine I don't mean simply "divinely inspired" - I mean divine as to it's very nature. I'll let the Bible itself speak to this: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God...And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."(John 1:1,14)Please note that it does not say that "flesh became the Word" but rather "the Word became flesh". It was the Word that is ETERNAL, preexisting, and therefore not merely a "thought" or "inspiration". Also we see in Revelation that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was called the Word: "and his name is The Word of God" (Rev. 19:13)
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Let us dissect what you have laid down on the operating table. In my high school days in my Biology subject, I dissected a frog alive without using anesthesia and I plan to do the dissection here in the same way that I did to that hapless frog then, my sincere apology to all who in one way or another may find the following words below (as my treatment of the bible) "unholy" in comparison with the way how they treat the bible in their whole life.
First thing first, is the bible the Lord God? Many people around the globe believe it (bible) is simply because of the verse you quoted in John 1:1. But whether we like it or not, the bible is simply a book which is no ordinary thing to any other book in this world with respect to its built and materials use to produce its entirety as a book in itself. It has no life in itself that it cannot speak, feel, see, and hear anything around it. How in the world of more than 6 billion people around the world wide web do you now say that "the Bible itself seems to tell us to treat it as if it were God Himself," is it really the bible which seems to tell us ....., or is it simply the speaker himself who seems to tell us his opinion about the bible?
Secondly, is the Word in John 1:1 the bible itself that we have in our possession today? Sadly and in total irony to what you claim about the bible as it were God himself, you yourself clearly identify who the Word is when you went over to John 1:1 and Rev. 19:13, and your identification points clearly not to the bible itself but to the Lord Jesus Christ who is The Living Word of God. Now, is the Lord Jesus Christ the bible itself? Was the bible with God from the very beginning? If not, your opinion about the bible wrt the issue at hand has no bearing at all to those verses you quoted above, hope you can go back to your previous post and do the necessary refitting works therein to rebuild and fortify your claim about the bible - as if it were God himself.
Last but not the least, God is divine and He alone is perfect and since the bible is not the Lord God, how can we say the bible is divine?