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Originally Posted by bearbear
To me it's not an issue of losing salvation because someone who is truly born again and given a new heart and new spirit will come to forgive everyone who has offended them.
Jesus was able to forgive his enemies, and because he's living in us, we're also able to by Christ who empowers us (Phil 4:13). He wouldn't have laid the burden on us if it were not possible.
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So you define away what it actually says.
That Jesus is in us provides us with the empowerment to do as you say. But it does not force it to be that way. You are assuming that getting the power will result in doing. If that is the case, then Peter would not need to remind his readers that they have all they need for godliness. Must be that some were not living as if it was true.
You seem to argue that it has to look true in a person's life or they are not really saved. If that were true, then there is no reason for admonishment. There is no reason for excommunication of the one sinning among them. They were admonished to treat them as (not call them) a heathen. And then welcome them back in when they had repented. Welcome back in suggests that they were in to begin with.
Too many evidences of the frailty of man continuing until the end to declare that we are either empowered and doing or going to hell. You have not exactly said that, but if you would stop and link all of your separate pieces together, you would see that it is the only conclusion that can be gathered from it. Yet you say that is not what you are saying. So you must be misrepresenting the scriptures that your are relying on because they are not that black and white on this matter.