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bearbear · 01-31-2014, 12:05 PM

Hi OBW,

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I respect that you take care in all your posts, I've been busier at work so I'm sorry if I haven't been as thorough in my scholarship and responses.

I'm sorry for sounding dogmatic. Heck my views have been changing a lot as I get new revelation. I started out in free grace, moved into Arminianism then onto Calvinism, now I'm not sure where I am. We all see through a mirror dimly and won't have full knowledge of the truth until we become glorified. I hope you'll read my stuff as just one take on the scriptures, and I think it's fair to say my views are not that far out in the context of the Christian community, it reflects what many bible scholars believe from Arminian and Calvinist backgrounds.

Often when conflicting views are stated, it helps to bring both views into sharper focus. I know I'm stepping on some toes here, but I think this is a valid discussion to have for both side's sakes.

As I said earlier, I posted my thoughts on 1 Cor 3:13-15 on my blog. It's also discussion we had earlier on this forum that's been rehashed a couple times.

The view I posted is similar to the explanations I've heard from Arminians and Calvinists.

http://nodustybunnies.blogspot.com/2...5-promise.html

Regarding not paying back the debt. Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death. Jesus said unless we forgive others the Father cannot forgive us. Without forgiveness there is no atonement. The price of our sin is something we are unable to pay that only Jesus could have paid. Many people have languished in debtor's prison simply because being in jail also means you can't pay the debt, it's basically a death sentence for those who have no means of paying!

Psalms 49:8 says
for the ransom of their life is costly and can never suffice,

There's no amount of silver or gold we can pay for our sin. It's only a price that God could pay with the death of his only begotten son.

Psalm 49:7,15
No one can redeem the life of another
or give to God a ransom for them—
But God will redeem me from the realm of the dead;
he will surely take me to himself.

01-31-2014, 12:05 PM	#14
bearbear Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 765	Re: Outer darkness: A thousand years? or for eternity? Hi OBW, Thanks for the thoughtful response. I respect that you take care in all your posts, I've been busier at work so I'm sorry if I haven't been as thorough in my scholarship and responses. I'm sorry for sounding dogmatic. Heck my views have been changing a lot as I get new revelation. I started out in free grace, moved into Arminianism then onto Calvinism, now I'm not sure where I am. We all see through a mirror dimly and won't have full knowledge of the truth until we become glorified. I hope you'll read my stuff as just one take on the scriptures, and I think it's fair to say my views are not that far out in the context of the Christian community, it reflects what many bible scholars believe from Arminian and Calvinist backgrounds. Often when conflicting views are stated, it helps to bring both views into sharper focus. I know I'm stepping on some toes here, but I think this is a valid discussion to have for both side's sakes. As I said earlier, I posted my thoughts on 1 Cor 3:13-15 on my blog. It's also discussion we had earlier on this forum that's been rehashed a couple times. The view I posted is similar to the explanations I've heard from Arminians and Calvinists. http://nodustybunnies.blogspot.com/2...5-promise.html Regarding not paying back the debt. Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death. Jesus said unless we forgive others the Father cannot forgive us. Without forgiveness there is no atonement. The price of our sin is something we are unable to pay that only Jesus could have paid. Many people have languished in debtor's prison simply because being in jail also means you can't pay the debt, it's basically a death sentence for those who have no means of paying! Psalms 49:8 says for the ransom of their life is costly and can never suffice, There's no amount of silver or gold we can pay for our sin. It's only a price that God could pay with the death of his only begotten son. Psalm 49:7,15 No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them— But God will redeem me from the realm of the dead; he will surely take me to himself.