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Originally Posted by awareness
His teaching on "deputy authority and submission" was insidious. And still is ... unless you believe the Lord wants a human totalitarian state.
His teaching on deputy authority can be used as a basic instruction manual, defining the framework, and basis, for hierarchical arrangement, of any cult.
And it produces NOT "good fruit."
I think Watchman Nee had a way of bedazzling minds about him (that worked on women perchance too). I think the recent claim out here that, "Nee bore good fruit" is a product of being bedazzled by Nee (lingering kool-aid, maybe).
Like a magician's sleight of hand -- but this being sleight of mind -- Nee had you looking at Christ while slipping in deputy authority sight unseen. Cuz he, Nee, became IT. IT. IT. right before your eyes, too dazzled, by then, to be noticed. "Who has bewitched you," comes to mind (Gal. 3:1)
Nice trick ... if the Lord is seeking a group of blind brainless followers (bbf's perchance).
Good fruit? What a joke! Was Witness Lee his "good fruit."
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To me WNee bore both good fruit and bad fruit. The ecclesiastical system of decentralized local churches he inherited from the Plymouth Brethren was the perfect blueprint China's underground churches needed to survive.
WNee's greatest leaven to me was his teaching on kingdom exclusion, eg 1000 years of outer darkness which gave his followers a false sense of assurance of salvation. I'm of the belief this contributed much to his own yielding to temptation due to no fear of God. What's a 1000 years compared to eternity?
I just can't make this doctrine work from a plain reading of scripture.
So the bible says there are two kinds of resurrections in Daniel 12:2:
1. resurrection of the righteous unto eternal life (1 Thess 4:16)
2. resurrection of the wicked unto the second death (which is the eternal death) and the Great White Throne judgment (Rev 20:12-13)
The caveat is that the resurrection of the wicked happens AFTER the millennial kingdom concludes in the preceding verse 6. The saints going to outer darkness do not participate in this second resurrection because they are still going to inherit everlasting life after 1000 years.
So the only scenario I can see fit here where unfaithful believers can be thrown into outer darkness during the millennial kingdom is
1. first they get raptured or resurrected from the dead (1 Thess 4:16) where the saints will meet the Lord in the air.
2. Then Jesus will somehow divide the faithful and unfaithful saints who will inherit eternal life.
3. He'll then cast the unfaithful saints into outer darkness for 1000 years.
I can see the conversation going as such:
"Congratulations! You've been raptured/resurrected!"
"Ah wait... you've been a bad... Sorry. Have fun in solitary confinement for 1000 years!"
"You look nervous. Relax, you'll have plenty of time to recover from 1000 years of isolation induced mental insanity in the eternal New Jerusalem!"
There's no 1000 year purgatory, there's no middle ground. It's all or nothing.
Luke 3:17
His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”
Luke 14:34-35
“Salt is good, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored?
It is of no use either for the soil or for the manure pile. It is thrown away. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men
once to die, but after this the judgment: