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Ignorance alone does not exclude someone from idolatry.
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Then the whole Christian world is guilty of idolatry. Do you believe in Christmas Matt? I am not assuming you do, but if you do, there are certainly many Christians who would be willing to go "toe-to-toe" with you, and prove that you engage in idolatry. And...they would probably do a better job than you have done on the Local Church idolatry thing. But, if it's not Christmas, then it will be something. The only people that I know who are totally clear on this subject are the JW's...oh wait, I forgot about their idol, The Watchtower Society.
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What makes you think that there are many who do not bow their knee to idols? One of the reasons I ask this is because the OT shows us that there were only 7000 individuals who did not bow their knee to Baal in the Northern Kingdom at the time of Elijah. This was a very small number of the total residents in the Northern Kingdom. (Note: there are other reasons too).
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Well, perhaps your
"many" is different from my
"many." I would say that 7000 is nothing to snuff at, considering the Lord is willing to leave the 99 to go and find 1.
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Idolatry is not about completely abandoning God. It's about who you rely on. Do you really think there are many in the LC who are relying totally on God or have they been led astray to relying on the "Minister of the Age" and their membership in the "Recovery". In some cases, they are stuck their out of fear, but it is fear that they are leaving the "highest thing of God". We know that God is working all over the place and that this fear is not real. We know that the Lord is worthy and able to take care of each one of us, no matter what group we meet with, but many in the LC believe that they must remain anchored to the LC group for their protection. This is another implicit evidence of the presence of idolatry. I believe many are relying on the wrong thing and this has drawn them into a wrong relationship with God. They are required to revere Lee too highly for the sake of the ministry (aka Recovery) and this is idolatry.
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Matt, do you think that Madame Guyon was an idolator? Do you think that Brother Lawrence was an idolator? And, have you come to the point of total reliance upon God?
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So far, I am seeing denial. It is denial that is partly based on a sincere belief that 'idolatry' does not apply at the level that I seem to be saying that it does. However, it is also denial that may be partly based on an unwillingness to acknowledge the underlying truth of the matter.
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I'm so sorry that all you are seeing denial. If so, then you are terribly in need of enlightenment. Check my posts. I didn't deny that that there is idolatry in the Living Stream Church.
Matt, nobody is trying to stop you from doing anything. Nobody CAN stop you from doing anything. I've stated my last on the subject. Please carry on.
Roger