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Old 10-04-2013, 10:35 AM   #142
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Default Re: An Epidemic of Lawless speaking

Sorry I don't come around often enough to respond in a timely fashion.
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Originally Posted by Indiana View Post
Well, let’s also take a look at how Ron was doing at the end of that same time period, 11 years. We know that he was still defaming from the pulpit the brothers and not seeking reconciliation with them. And, another 11 years later he was defaming me. The BBs, including Ron, were a continual subject of dismay for Brother Lee, as seen in A Word of Love where WL describes their condition,

"As I have said before, the spirit of not shepherding and seeking others and being without love and forgiveness is spreading in the recovery everywhere. I believe that not having the Father’s loving and forgiving heart and not having the Savior’s shepherding and seeking spirit is the reason for our barrenness."
If you want a different perspective on this little bit (which might recolor your considerations on the rest) consider this. . . . For all the private meetings that Lee had with these people you suggest were dismaying Lee, why did he not take them to task privately? Why did he speak publicly about it as if he might be talking about someone else?

Maybe it is because he was talking about someone else.

Maybe the implication was intended to direct the "little saints" to be different and put the blame for the problem on them. If we are supposedly the vast priesthood, then we are all the shepherds. So you don't have to blame the leadership because there supposedly isn't any.

(Of course, we all know there is leadership. And it is the trunk of the tree. And it is rotten . . . . Doesn't speak well for the tree.)

I just have this problem that the guy who can get the entirety of the "Recovery" to quickly change direction based on one message is needing to speak to everyone to somehow get the people he is otherwise privately brow-beating to do what they should. You would think that if they were going to subject themselves to the kind of brow-beating that James Barber's sons said he told about, they would either do as told or get out.

So I think that pointing those words at the BBs is probably not the right answer. Or interpreting it the way we are is not the right answer.
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