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Originally Posted by SpeakersCorner
Igzy,
On the first point (I haven't really made an argument) you're probably right. I will sum up what I was fumbling to say: Saying the LC is idolatrous and that every member was engaged in idolatry is way over the top. Saying there are idols is fair ... but then, you can make this claim for all Christians, all groups.
As for my having blinders on, again, I agree. I've got a lot of them on. I yearn to be rid of all of them but it takes time, my friend, it takes time.
I really am done with this one for now. When I get into these heated skirmishes, a lot of things happen. One, I usually overstate something or the other. Two, I offend someone. Three, I learn something. Four, I get ticked off. Five, I get over it. Six, I get a PM from someone which is always nice. Seven, I repent. Eight, I ask myself, why am I spending so much time here? Nine, I vow to back off. Ten, I read a fresh post and break my vow. Eleven, I make a new vow and go public with it to help me keep it. Twelve, I discover I've neglected something in my "real life" (like turning off the hose) and run to do it.
There's about seventeen more things I could list, but I've lost you all by now so why bother?
SC
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No, actually this is the most understandable post you've made in awhile.
So there is hope.
I see both sides of this argument. I can see how the continuous claims of idolatry and demon influence could become tiresome. I think there are more sophisticated ways of addressing the problems in the LC than that. I have Catholic friends and I wouldn't get to first base with them if I accused them of idolatry, even though that's what praying to Mary is, as far as I'm concerned.
I also see how the infamous letter pledging allegiance to Lee and to the republic for which he stands as a first step to setting up an idol. I think if you ran into a group which venerated, say, Billy Graham, like the LC venerates Lee, it would make you uncomfortable.
Anyway, the other night, NBC Olympic host Bob Costas asked his partner Chris Collingsworth whether woman's beach volleyball would be as popular if the players were required to wear sweatsuits. Collingsworth assented that it probably wouldn't be. In other words, Costas had a point.
Matt has a point, too, as do you.