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Originally Posted by OBW
I will acknowledge that God mentions the creation of man in his rather lengthy description of the creation of all things, from earth to beasts of magnificence, and including man. But it does not make the book about "building a man." A verse or two buried in chapters does not "wag the dog."
Same thing for the character of Job. Job was already described as righteous and fearing God. two verses are not very revelatory concerning some significant change in that character.
Then there is this particular little jab.
Response?
Poor reasoning on your part.
You seem to conclude that if you throw enough numbers separated by colons onto the page, you have a "Biblical basis." The obvious lack of actual scriptural support for a claim of major purpose is not made right by attaching a list of verses that do not support that claim. And seeing through the ruse does not require a verse. To suggest otherwise is something that only the very weak-minded would accept as reasonable.
Last. I have never said that God did not build a man. Or that Job was not changed in character. Rather, that the account provided in the 42 chapters that is the book of Job is not seen as providing support for such a major premise. Now, if you meant that God created man, then God clearly said that in Job. But it was not his primary statement. It was one of many describing the totality of his creation. But when you say "God builds a man" you are making a statement in the lexicon of LRC usage which would be referring to something more like the "one new man." God is clearly building that. But it isn't found in Job. Some might take liberty to argue that it typifies the one new man, but it wouldn't be based on the primary thrust of the book.
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You provided the "most common understanding" is that "Life happens" you can't understand it and you can't blame others for it.
You didn't provide any biblical basis or verse references from Job to substantiate this.
On the contrary, the account makes it very, very clear that what happened to Job was not random, it wasn't happenstance, on the contrary it was an attack by Satan provoked by God. It was God that pointed out that there "was not another man on Earth like Job" and that provoked an attack by Satan to prove that Job's righteousness was a result of God's blessing. If God removed the blessing for a curse, then Job would curse God.
Now it is ridiculous and utter nonsense to ignore this introduction. To say the lesson is that "life happens" is nonsense, the book of Job does not say this at all.
2nd, the Basic outline from God's point of view cannot be disputed
1. God says that there is none like Job and provokes Satan to attack him.
2. Satan destroys everything that Job has built up in his life.
3. Everyone then spends the next 36 chapters asking why? The consensus view is that these calamities are a result of Job sinning. God rebukes this and requires those who accused Job of sinning to repent.
4. God then comes in and asks "who is this that darkens counsel with words without knowledge". He is not rebuking them for having counsel, He is not saying they can't ask, He is saying they are ignorant and proceeds to educate them.
5. Job states that his revelation of God and understanding of God have grown immensely through this process.
6. Job is restored so that his latter end is greater than his state prior to this event.
This outline does not in any way support your premise that "life happens" or that it is "random" or that we are not to question or understand. That is nonsense, there is no biblical basis to say it, and unless you can provide a Biblical basis then accept your own logic that without a Biblical basis it is nonsense.