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Old 03-28-2013, 04:39 PM   #91
ZNPaaneah
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Default Re: The ground on which the church should be built

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Originally Posted by Cassidy View Post
"Now according to the book of Acts the period of time from Peter feeling that he could not eat with the gentiles to the time he realized that the Lord had shown him that is what he wanted to do, to the time he actually baptized them, to the time he met with James to defend these actions was a matter of days, perhaps a week or two. The fact that "all were zealous for the law" indicates that there is a real need to do something. Who better to repent than James? Who better to speak than James? There is no reason to think his repentance and then letter was years in the making. It could have been a month."

Brother ZNP,

The timeline for the events above were probably closer to 20 years.

Peter saw the vision from the roof of Simon the Tanner's house (which is still there by the way according to a certain tour guide ) and baptized the house of Cornelius up the coast shortly thereafter in the range of AD 39-41...

... and James wrote his epistle in about AD 48-51...

...and then the incident in Acts 21 where "all were zealous for the law" occurred around AD 58-60


Again, if your thesis is that the Book of James promotes a mixed message of the NT with the Law then that would be supported by something from the book of James that does that.

No one, to my knowledge, knows precisely what the events were. I think we can both agree that James did have a mixed vision at one point, this was recorded in both Acts and Galatians.

The issue is whether or not this mixed message was carried over into his epistle or if the epistle was written after he received the vision of the Lord. I do not personally think that a third option is plausible (he wrote an epistle according to the NT vision even though he was not clear on the NT vision). If James wasn't clear then you should be able to easily demonstrate that from his epistle. Saying that he wasn't clear without demonstrating what the error was is not fruitful. Clearly you have expressed, repeatedly, your feeling that the message in his epistle was mixed. Please give us the verse and the mixed message and explain the error, otherwise your harangue is a big waste of time.
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