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ZNPaaneah · 03-25-2013, 06:46 AM

So then, in brief

1. Yes, I think it is a valid and Biblically sound exercise to look for the "ground of the church"
2. Yes, I agree that such a critical concept must have a clear word in the NT.
3. I think the verses provided by WN are not a clear word.
4. I think the OT type does not support and even rejects the application of WN's teaching. You cannot go into a city and "take the ground". According to the type and shadow the ground was purchased by Jesus in His earthly ministry.
5. Instead I think Ephesians chapter 4 presents 7 things that are one and that all believers should stand on when they meet together. There are many things we may not agree on, but as long as we agree on these 7 we should accept one another and fellowship with one another.

Therefore as to WN and WL's ministries I find it very disturbing that they would embrace such a flimsy teaching that should have been rejected and make it the cornerstone of their work. To me this suggests one of two possible conclusions.

1. They were very poor Bible expositors. I can understand a young WN suggesting this theory, but it should have been rejected within a couple of years. But for WL to embrace it and carry this torch for so many years tells me he had to be a very poor Bible expositor or

2. There was a very poor motive. If they knew this to be a false teaching then the fact that they continued to push it suggests they were false prophets motivated by covetousness in creating another sect.

James
5:1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
5:2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

03-25-2013, 06:46 AM	#3
ZNPaaneah Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7,105	Re: The ground on which the church should be built So then, in brief 1. Yes, I think it is a valid and Biblically sound exercise to look for the "ground of the church" 2. Yes, I agree that such a critical concept must have a clear word in the NT. 3. I think the verses provided by WN are not a clear word. 4. I think the OT type does not support and even rejects the application of WN's teaching. You cannot go into a city and "take the ground". According to the type and shadow the ground was purchased by Jesus in His earthly ministry. 5. Instead I think Ephesians chapter 4 presents 7 things that are one and that all believers should stand on when they meet together. There are many things we may not agree on, but as long as we agree on these 7 we should accept one another and fellowship with one another. Therefore as to WN and WL's ministries I find it very disturbing that they would embrace such a flimsy teaching that should have been rejected and make it the cornerstone of their work. To me this suggests one of two possible conclusions. 1. They were very poor Bible expositors. I can understand a young WN suggesting this theory, but it should have been rejected within a couple of years. But for WL to embrace it and carry this torch for so many years tells me he had to be a very poor Bible expositor or 2. There was a very poor motive. If they knew this to be a false teaching then the fact that they continued to push it suggests they were false prophets motivated by covetousness in creating another sect. James 5:1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. 5:2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.