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Old 02-19-2013, 08:36 AM   #96
ZNPaaneah
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Default Re: A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us

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In that day, many will say to me, "Lord, Lord, did we not mention you in our Declaration of Independence and follow you in our Constitution? Did not our forefathers create a charter of great religious consequence when coming to this great land? Did we not declare our belief in your providence as we mentioned you in at least one inaugural address? Did we not act in righteousness when we defended your word against the infidels of the North (or South). Aren't we the ones who have declared that our nation was Christian?"

And I will respond, "Who made you the declarer of covenants? When did I come to you and make such a covenant? When did I make any declarations concerning your little kingdom? Depart from me you who twist my declarations to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and to the nation of Israel as if your will can cause those blessing to become yours by efforts of your own. You who curse the prostitutes and sinners among you. Who disdain your homeless. Who dare to do all of this in my name."

"Depart from me, you workers of lawlessness."

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This may be too much.
Agreed.

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But I believe that we are presuming way beyond anything that we have the reach to claim.
What are "we" presuming?

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Other than the reality that some will hear those kinds of stern words concerning obvious lack of love for neighbor, the rest is somewhat fantasy.

But no more fantasy than the claim that we can unilaterally cause this nation to be blessed by our declaration that it is so.
Who said that?

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No nation on earth can lay claim to the covenant that God made with Israel all those years ago.
I was not aware that anyone had tried to lay claim to that covenant.

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There is serious question as to whether the current Israel can claim all that was enjoyed by its predecessor. But whether they can or can not, we surely cannot.
I have no idea what this post has to do with Cahn's speech or his book. He was at a prayer breakfast on the day of the inauguration with the express purpose of praying for God to bless the nation, according to Paul's word (1Timothy 2:1-2). Surely if you pray for God's blessing you must do so with the faith that God will answer. To point out that this is not the first time that these prayers had been made, especially to refer to the prayers made on the first inauguration is certainly relevant. To say that earlier prayers for God's blessing had been answered is also quite reasonable.

Did I listen to a different speech? Can you give me the offending quote from his speech.

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