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Originally Posted by Indiana
This is from an email yesterday from Angelica Fazio. This is what I meant about what God may be looking at while you are not. I wonder what your thoughts are on her points about a blessed nation.
I agree with Tom (no forum member) and Jane about the relevance of Cahn's message. As far as the book, "The Harbinger," I purchased it and read it when it first came out. I definitely agree that Cahn is on to something regarding God's judgment of America. Before the book was in print, there was an email going around----apparently initiated by Cahn or someone close to him. To me, that email was even more impressive than the book. It wasn't couched in fictional context, and it actually showed photos of them laying the huge "quarried rock" and planting the fir tree where the sycamore had fallen, etc. It was a bit breathtaking! I have recently searched for that link and been unable to find it. I suppose Cahn had it removed to boost sales of the book. I don't know.
I'm not certain what Tom said about Obama's re-election; however, I suspect his sentiments resemble mine---that short of divine, miraculous intervention, Obama's reelection spells the end of America as we have known it. America as we had known it is already history by now. And this is just the beginning.
I would have posted, but I couldn't find a way to register. I don't have a lot of time to invest in this. However, I agree a whole lot with Carol Garza's comments on the blog. Obviously, Abraham Lincoln thought we (America) had "forgotten God" and turned away from our underpinnings in Him---even at the time Lincoln served. If we want to see the heart of the early patriots, we should look at their songs and what it was that inspired them. "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" was just that: it stated what the heart was of those who were willing to risk their lives to establish this nation. There are fewer more inspirational Christian hymns---as far as fighting for Christ's cause is concerned. (Their doctrine didn't coincide with what the three of us believe. The author was obviously amillenial---and thought they were going to usher in Christ's return and reign through their military victory on earth. "As He (Christ) died to make men holy, let us live to make men free, while God is marching on." etc.
The war cry in the revolutionary was "No king but Jesus!" The second stanza of "My Country 'Tis of Thee" actually is a declaration of them reversing Israel's move of rejecting God for an earthly king. It goes, "Our father's God, to Thee---Author of Liberty--to Thee we sing. Long may our land be bright with freedom's holy light. Protect us by Thy might, great God, OUR KING!" The colonists honestly thought they were reversing the error of Israel of old. That was their position. In addition, the inscription on the "Liberty Bell": "Proclaim liberty throughout the land" was taken from Leviticus 25 and 27 regarding the jubilee of the children of Israel in their 70th year. The footprints of the Christian faith in our governmental documents and historic sites are too numerous to mention. Here's a brief listing of them: http://www.allabouthistory.org/spiri...uments-faq.htm
Sinners, deceived (possessing slaves but declaring equality of all men), and with doctrinal error----just like the rest of us. However, the concept of God, Christ, and the Bible ranked high in their thoughts. Even those deists could quote Scripture and believed it more than most of our clergy today. The authority of the Word of God was unquestioned. "The Old Deluder Satan Act" was the bases for establishing public education. It stated that, since our laws were based upon the Bible, it was essential for men to be able to read so that they could read their Bibles and keep the magistrates in line. Compare that to our attitude today. I believe it was Robert Charles Winthrop, an 1850 politician, who said we would be ruled "either by the Bible or the bayonet."
As far as contributing to the debate, I'm not sure what I could add. Like Tom, I don't have a lot of time to invest in this sort of thing. I continue to be 125% employed (hence, the amount of time it's taken me to get back to you regarding your email). I'd like to support Cahn's speaking/book in any way possible.
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Hello Indie..please give my warmest regards to Angelica for me if she does not make another appearance here.
I do not understand how one person's personal positive insight on a book or YouTube turned into a heated debate.
Do we all not read the same bible (translations/versions aside)? In Matthew 7 (I think) Jesus clearly states not everyone who says "Lord Lord didn't I cast out demons in your Name and prophesy in Your Name?" Yet the Lord did not know these workers of iniquity. In Revelation chapters. 2-3, we also see Christ rebuking and commending the churches depending on their condition.
We ourselves run into cerebral believers making it very difficult for genuine fellowship. And we also run into carnal Christians as well as religious Christians. Now and then I run into a true Spirit Filled, God filled person making it so pleasurable to fellowship with.
I am sure back in the day when our country was being established and our laws/constitution was being implemented, there was a mixture of true living Christians, carnal Christians, and religious Christians working together. It is evidenced in their writings by including the Scriptures and God. Yet many if not most of our legislatures and Presidents lived immoral lives.
The only difference I see between our government leaders of today and those back then is if our constitution and laws were written today, there would be no mention of God or the scriptures. Our currency would not have the sealed imprint of "In God we trust".
Our government leaders back then may not have lived exemplary Christian lives but they were not embarrassed or ashamed of the Word of God.
Can you imagine what our constitution would look like if it was written for the first time today? Do you think the President would place his hand on a bible when taking the oath of office?
TJ was moved and enlightened by Cahn's perspective. So was I but I have also heard how our nations capital had its' buildings patterened by the Roman and Greek architecture. And how the Freemasons built their symbol into Washington DC.
In the end, I know what my bible tells me about the gentile nations and Israel. Jesus is King of kings, Lord of lords. And He IS coming again. Let us keep praying for many more people to get saved, After all, we are the Light of the world
Blessings everyone!
Carol Garza