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Originally Posted by alwayslearning
Cahn's message was not merely referenced it is the highlight and point of this thread. So I recommend you listen to his talk (as was recommended to me on this thread) and decide whether you agree with it or not. Or which parts you agree with and which parts you don't. Then we can have an informed discussion about it.
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Yes, it was the purpose for the thread. However, this discussion is based on Paul Cox's post#13 "Those things aside, we can't deny that the Lord causes certain kings to rise and others to fall. This in an indisputable fact. If a nation, such as England or the United States of America, has been so widely used to spread the gospel, because they opened their hearts to God in their founding principles, then certainly the Lord will deal with them in a disciplinary way when they wander from those principles."
And for this discussion I see no reason to reference Cahn. I think it was OBW that said that having someone else speak for you is problematic.
The discussion as I see it is if the US is "blessed by God" and if the US is now experiencing "God's discipline". This was then led into the ditch by the distortion of that discussion into whether the US is a "Christian" nation, which was then characterized as a "straw man" argument which I would only partly agree with. Many confuse the two, saying the US is blessed by God can be confused with thinking the US is a "Christian" nation. Hence my post.