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Originally Posted by alwayslearning
So your position is that even though many of the founders were involved in sinful activity since Washington - a Masonic lodge member who was slated to become a Grandmaster - said the above somehow the nation was turned to God??
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Seriously. What was I thinking? God can't use imperfect, sinful men. He needs clean ones...like...uh...maybe....King David. Yeah...that's it. ... Wait.... Scratch King David. Uh....well....never mind. I'll have to do some research to find someone clean enough to be used by God...according to your standards.
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Originally Posted by alwayslearning
So please tell us what the country was like when the above was not the case i.e. when the country was supposedly blessed by God. How did we treat the indigenous people groups? How did we treat black people? How about the Jazz Age? What was that like? How about the ruthlessness and corruption in which business was conducted? How about Christians persecuting each other e.g. Congregationalists hanging Quakers for their religious beliefs etc., etc, etc. If kids could pray in schools why was this happening? If nativity scenes were allowed on the courthouse square why was this happening?
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God is merciful to warn us---to call on His people to repent and turn back to Him; a call to forsake the sinful ways you describe. Then comes the day He decides He's had enough and He makes good on His warning. This is a pattern in the Old Testament.
The Harbinger is a warning. A call to prayer and repentance.
So Cahn is wrong and our prayers and repentance are based on, according to you, an invalid premise? Is that what you're saying? So don't pray? Don't repent? Really?
Be at peace, AL. The worst that could happen is that God's people begin to pray and repent. How bad can it be? God in His mercy, grants us repentance, and answer our prayers; this nation is brought to repentance and we, as a nation, turn back to God.
Get it?
PS: Nathan the prophet went to King David and exposed his sin. David repented. What if there was no prophet?