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Peter Debelak · 10-02-2012, 04:54 PM

Mike:

I'm not sure we're saying different things. My point isn't to do away with "organized" congregations. I do not aim to lay out some "ideal church." Most of what I'm arguing for is more about an approach and an emphasis than it is about an outward manifestation.

There IS a long tradition of "church" as its practiced. But that tradition ALSO INCLUDES a tradition of problems - abuse at worst and a subtle, non-intentional stealing of one's resonsibility before God at least.

Thus, I am asking what spiritual principles - even WITHIN THE CONTEXT of traditional churches - can be internalized to 1) broaden our thinking about how we relate to other believers whether they "meet with us" or not and 2) keep our focus on our personal growth, rather than handing accountability over to the group or "the work."

Thoughts?

Peter

10-02-2012, 04:54 PM	#231
Peter Debelak I Have Finished My Course Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Avon, OH Posts: 303	Re: Should Members Obey or Submit to Church Leaders? Mike: I'm not sure we're saying different things. My point isn't to do away with "organized" congregations. I do not aim to lay out some "ideal church." Most of what I'm arguing for is more about an approach and an emphasis than it is about an outward manifestation. There IS a long tradition of "church" as its practiced. But that tradition ALSO INCLUDES a tradition of problems - abuse at worst and a subtle, non-intentional stealing of one's resonsibility before God at least. Thus, I am asking what spiritual principles - even WITHIN THE CONTEXT of traditional churches - can be internalized to 1) broaden our thinking about how we relate to other believers whether they "meet with us" or not and 2) keep our focus on our personal growth, rather than handing accountability over to the group or "the work." Thoughts? Peter __________________ I Have Finished My Course