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Old 09-29-2012, 06:29 AM   #193
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Default Re: Should Members Obey or Submit to Church Leaders?

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Originally Posted by Peter Debelak View Post
At this point in history, we assume Ignatius and other who gave rise the RCC are wrong. Are they? If so, based on what scriptural principals? And then, once we embrace those scriptural principals, how far do we take them?
There are numerous verses -- perhaps hundreds -- which concern how church leaders should lead. Jesus said the disciples should serve, and never rule as the Gentiles, and He condemned any thought concerning the fleshly ambition to "be first in the kingdom," the hallmark of the papal lineage. Paul said he should be imitated, and that we should note how he was with the saints, day by day with tears, as a nursing mother caring for her young. Peter instructs us not to Lord it over the flock. These are just some highlights.

Peter, in your recent post you stated, "I just keep an eye on the fruits of the path taken." Your recent tag line read, "Prove all things, hold on to the good." These are worthy points. The Lord told us the same, that we would "know by their fruits." Sometimes it takes time to ascertain questionable teachings and practices. Ignatius' views are wrong because they contradict scripture and they have borne horrible fruit. I'm sure he had his reasons, but he promoted extremist views of submission and obedience which were fully exploited in the dark ages by the RCC.
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