Peter Debelak
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Originally Posted by MacDuff
UntoHim
Are you defending a Protestant scheme of authority? A scheme of authority that can easily be rebelled against for any personal reason? That does seem to be the consensus here. Christianity needs human authorities. But they are to only be obeyed as far as the individual deems necessary. Having an array of excuses where such authorities are not to be obeyed. Conscience is especially popular. Something as variable as personal opinion.
MacDuff
By Peter
I thought I followed your argument. But I don't understand this paragraph. Are you suggesting that a "rebelling against authority in the Church" is a sham, easily justified with any sort of "excuse," or are you saying there should be "authority in the church" in the first place?
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In my view, there is a distinction between the ekklesia portrayed in the Bible and the Churches of Christianity. They are two entirely different things.
In the gatherings of the ekklesia, no human ruling authority would be necessary. Only the supernatural ruling authority of the living Jesus Christ as Lord through the indwelling Spirit within the community, within each individual who is in Christ.
Since this thread is called “Should Members Obey or Submit to Church Leaders”, it is talking about Christianity and the Churches of Christianity, the human institutions of Christianity. I really should have just agreed that in the Churches of Christianity, there is a definite necessity for human rulers. That human rulers in Christianity are as apropos as in any other human institutional endeavor or human gatherings. Wherein the supernatural does NOT have a part in any practical sense where the rubber meets the road.
MacDuff