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Originally Posted by Ohio
Since this thread asks "Should Members Obey or Submit to Church Leaders?" in the context of the Recovery, I think it is a valid question to ask "Who are the real leaders of the Recovery?" Who should be obeyed if anyone at all? Whether we are discussing the Recovery or another church setting, how do we understand Hebrews 13.17?
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Right. Church leaders. Not Recovery leaders. The Bible doesn't have anything to say about Recovery leaders. I'm not saying saints don't want to know who the leaders are. I'm saying that the question can't really be answered from a Biblical standpoint because the Bible has nothing to say about the leadership of Recoveries.
See my point? That's why it's so insidious. Because the thing itself is never really defined accurately. What is it? They purposely keep it vague so they can make up their own rules as they go.
Now, what the recovery actually is is a movement. But again, the Bible has nothing to say about the leadership of movements. So you are barking up the wrong tree trying to pin down the rules. A movement is simply a semi-cohesive cooperation of human beings towards a general common goal. A movement and a church aren't the same thing. The Bible has a lot to say about cooperation and submission in a church, not in a movement.
However, Recovery stalwarts would deny it is a movement. So they can't even define what it is correctly! So how could they ever come up with a biblical definition of the leadership structure?!