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Old 09-18-2012, 07:56 PM   #121
UntoHim
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Default Re: Should Members Obey or Submit to Church Leaders?

MacDuff,
Thanks for hangin around for a while, I knew you had it in ya (glutton for punishment….anybody who stuck around the Local Church for any length of time has a little of that in him). Speaking of the Local Church, no wonder you ended up blowing out of there…you seem to be quite the deep thinker, philosopher, anthropologist, church historian….gee did I miss anything yet? Anyway, if you’re any one of these, well we all know that that dog won’t hunt around the parts of the Local Church.

Sorry if you got the impression that my little quip to you was focusing in any way around Martin Luther, and your points about him are well taken, but I think you dodged my point about the “truth”. “The truth will triumph through us”…that was the catchphrase.

Don’t know if you remember or not, but Witness Lee was real big on emphasizing that he was bringing “recovered truth” to us poor, poor Christians in America. In fact, more than once, he told his followers that if even he deviated from this “recovered truth” we should stop following him. Of course many of us found out that this was all bunk. He only cared about “truth” if it put his person and his work in a good light.(and sometimes his family) When push came to shove, when the going got tough, we found out that to Witness Lee “truth” was a moving target – truth was what he wanted it to be depending on the situation.

This is NOT “the truth” that I was referring to in my post. The truth I was referring to is not a moving target. The earth is round. This is truth. It was truth even when there were people running around saying it was flat. If I jump off of a tall building (with no parachute or other assistance) I will face “the truth” of gravity. The “truth” of gravity will remain truth, even if somebody tells me not to worry and that I will have a happy landing.

If there is a God of the Universe, surely he has the last say in what is and what is not truth. If the Judeo-Christian scriptures are the Word of God, and if Jesus Christ was God’s son, then it makes a lot of sense why, in his last prayer to the Father, he prayed “sanctify them in the truth, your word is truth”. What can “sanctify” us…what can make us holy…what can bring us as close to God as we can be? Truth. And what is truth? “Your word is truth”. So really there is no way to get around it. If you do not want to accept the Bible as God’s word, then all the talk and fuss about religion, Christianity, the Church, Martin Luther, Protestants, authority, etc, etc, is just much ado about nothing. Just sayin…
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