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Old 09-11-2012, 08:15 PM   #74
Peter Debelak
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Default Re: Should Members Obey or Submit to Church Leaders?

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Originally Posted by Igzy View Post

Why the arbitrary delineation? You sound like someone who's been burnt by group cooperation and so are hunting for a reason to de-legitimize it.
One doesn't need to hunt, by the way. Human history - especially of groups that claim to "do God's will" is chalk full of them.

And yet, after each occasion of emerging from abuses of "group think", we never challenge the underlying assumptions. We just try again, thinking we can "do better" with with same set of unexamined assumptions. Division after division. Abuse after abuse.

Even if I'm wrong - human history should at least provide a reason to be more open to the arguments I'm making. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm asking if we can examine assumptions that historically have not been examined and yet have cause a lot of turmoil.

Instead of openness, I get - those who don't "join in" are "sad."

I'm not trying to describe a fellowship-less world. I'm not trying to describe a mission-less world. I'm trying to advocate for these things while having a picture that relies a little more on Him and a little less on the human-created structures that have so often been at the core of scores of historical "wars."

And if you don't think they are human-created structures, then you are arguing that they are ordained by God. And then you get into the same argument you get with "local ground-ers", except now you're in their shoes.
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