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Old 09-11-2012, 11:55 AM   #59
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Default Re: Should Members Obey or Submit to Church Leaders?

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Originally Posted by aron View Post
Leaders, i.e. vectors of the Holy Spirit, will surely emerge. But we should let this occur as the Lord sees fit. The only thing that matters is the move of the Spirit. Creating vested leadership positions will lead only to vested interests, contrary to the Spirit. Eventually our vested interests will lead us to serve the creation, not the Creator. Because, as I mentioned at the start, we are biased.
Oh boy. Yes, and wearing nice clothes will make us vain. Receiving compliments will make us prideful. Making money will make us materialistic. Enjoying good food and sex will make us hedonistic. So I guess we should just get rid of everything.

There are pitfalls everywhere. Yet, we must deal with them. God doesn't call us to austerity. The fact that someone could abuse a position does not make position invalid or bad. It's just means we are fallen. God is looking for those who can handle position, because in the end, he needs leaders.

Leaders are not a necessary evil, any more than government is. They are God's way of organizing groups.

Do you know why the Libertarians can't get anywhere as a party? It isn't because they aren't smart, or don't have a message that can resonate. It's because they are so suspicious of organized leadership that they cannot sustain any kind of organized effort to get anything done. They are hamstrung from implementing their ideology by their ideology itself.

In other words, they are like a herd of cats. God can't do much with a herd of cats.

What do you think the New Jerusalem is going to be like? Do you think there will be no groups with leaders? Do you think we all are going to be floating around with no human organization at all? There are ranks even among the angels.

I think some of you might have a shock in store in the next age if God sends you out on some work detail with brother So-and-so in charge. What are you going to say? That it isn't spiritual enough?

'Course I don't know for sure. But it's something to consider.
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