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Originally Posted by Disciple
Accepted.
1. I would like to constrain the discussion to specific examples. Obviously the intent of the thread had Perry and Palin in mind. But in my mind I am thinking of Ghandi, King, and Malcolm X. But I brought up Ayn Rand to include the Russian Pogrom and the German holocaust and by extension other genocides like the Armenian, Pol Pot, Rwanda, etc. In each case a "minority" was singled out since by definition they are smaller, weaker and easier to bully. I suppose I am talking of the "justice" from the oppressed point of view.
2. I believe that the strategy of passive resistance as advocated by Ghandi, adopted by King and later acknowledged by Malcolm X is the strategy that I am thinking of and this idea had a NT origination. When you read Ghandi he makes a case for, supports and even suggests that his idea was inspired by Jesus' words. Now to require him to have done what he did without bringing the Bible into it would have been a huge disadvantage for him.
Likewise King made a case for this approach based fully on the New Testament. He admonished his supporters with New Testament principles and his speeches were filled with Biblical references. To have put him under the constraint of not using the Bible would have been a huge disadvantage.
Malcolm X had many justifiable outrages towards hypocritical Christians. Yet he also was swayed in the end by both his personal experience and the Bible. His personal experience was completely entwined with his believe in God. It was his visit to Mecca that converted him to embrace passive resistance.
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Your posts have moved us from "should we bring God's will and God's name into politics," to a much different topic of "what is justified when a people are repressed." There is just too much disparity and diversity to even follow this type of discussion.
I think the example of MLK is a good one, because of how the KKK used scripture for its own rotten justifications. Both attempted to apply God's "justice" to the same conflict, albeit in very different ways.
PeterD might say that this is reason enough to keep God's will out of the fight.
Disciple might say this is reason to keep God's will front and center.
At least if we stay in context of American political movements we can understand one another. Wandering around the globe and throughout history makes discussions difficult.
Agreed? At least we have a better chance of staying on topic.