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Originally Posted by Peter Debelak
Dear Disciple:
I apologize for placing my characterization of your argument as if it was a quote. I wasn't thinking. I was trying to "set off" a part of MY post, since lengthy posts (which mine tend to be) can be hard to read (yes, often for more than one reason).
I am also sorry I did not first ask you to elaborate. I should have done this.
To that end, there were a few other genuine questions in my post:
1) WHOSE Justice do you refer to when you advocate for invoking God in politics?
2) I noted that your argument could be made based solely on Old Testament principles; In what way do you incorporate the New Covenant into your argument?
As a final note, I do agree that the Civil Rights movement was an attempt to seek justice.
I know this doesn't erase my tone, but I would much rather discuss the substance of each other's arguments than get into a "food fight." So, take this, if you will, as a mea culpa.
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Accepted.
1. I would like to constrain the discussion to specific examples. Obviously the intent of the thread had Perry and Palin in mind. But in my mind I am thinking of Ghandi, King, and Malcolm X. But I brought up Ayn Rand to include the Russian Pogrom and the German holocaust and by extension other genocides like the Armenian, Pol Pot, Rwanda, etc. In each case a "minority" was singled out since by definition they are smaller, weaker and easier to bully. I suppose I am talking of the "justice" from the oppressed point of view.
2. I believe that the strategy of passive resistance as advocated by Ghandi, adopted by King and later acknowledged by Malcolm X is the strategy that I am thinking of and this idea had a NT origination. When you read Ghandi he makes a case for, supports and even suggests that his idea was inspired by Jesus' words. Now to require him to have done what he did without bringing the Bible into it would have been a huge disadvantage for him.
Likewise King made a case for this approach based fully on the New Testament. He admonished his supporters with New Testament principles and his speeches were filled with Biblical references. To have put him under the constraint of not using the Bible would have been a huge disadvantage.
Malcolm X had many justifiable outrages towards hypocritical Christians. Yet he also was swayed in the end by both his personal experience and the Bible. His personal experience was completely entwined with his believe in God. It was his visit to Mecca that converted him to embrace passive resistance.