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Originally Posted by Ohio
I can't find a decent Greek expositor who says that the real meaning here in Hebrews 13.17 is a "much different sense than “obey and submit.”"
James uses the same Greek word for "obey" in verse 3.3, "Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us."
Sounds to be quite a compelling case to obey the rider of the horse. But perhaps, like Witness Lee, you don't find the book of James to be a trustworthy source.
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I've read in this thread, essentially, we are to "obey leaders" until we decide not to, and then its okay not to obey. Of course, we'll say its a matter of conscience. But so will the "leader" who is requiring our obedience.
This notion of having spiritual authority residing in an identifiable person, indeed in an office, is logically contrary to the New Testament.
If someone can tell me how it comports with the New Covenant, I'm all ears.
I am not saying I don't see what is written in Scripture. I do. But I'm willing to say I don't know what it means, in light of the multitude of other verses and concepts that cut against a plain reading of the text.
This patent acceptance of a plain reading of "obey," while later adding caveats that comport with having Christ, the LORD, in our spirit, just don't jive.
Can someone help me here? This is not a rhetorical line of inquiry.
In Love,
Peter