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Here is my analysis of these statements along with questions to foster any clarification, comment, or retraction you might wish to make:

Heb 13:17 does not give church leaders such a right and obligation. True or false?

The verse says that leaders keep watch over the members. Would they be doing a good job of keeping watch if they did not vet the ministries they allowed to come teach the church?

Rev 2:2 does not give only church leaders such a responsibility; the whole body has the responsibility. True or false?

Well, the leaders are part of the body, so they are given that responsibility, too. Vetting guest speakers would be a legitimate fulfillment of that responsibility in the light of their position as leaders. Your statement implies that the leaders shouldn't take the lead in vetting apostles. If not, why not? And if they shouldn't take the lead in vetting apostles, what exactly should they take the lead in, given that they are leaders? Unless you want to suggest that leaders aren't really supposed to lead.

Acts 5:29 does not really address the matter of church members obeying and submitting to church leaders, does it?

Only if you think church leaders are not men, i.e. people. The verse says to obey God rather than men (people). Obviously the meaning is do not obey people when their words go against God's, since elsewhere the Bible does tell us to obey leaders (Rom 13:1; Heb 13:17). In other words, to obey leaders is not an absolute command, but to obey God is absolute and trumps the command to obey leaders.

In your #74, you added this clarification:

BTW, my reference to submitting to one another was from Ephesians 5:21, not 1 Cor 14.

Would you refer me to where you referenced submitting to one another in your previous post, because I can’t find it?

I mentioned submitting in general, e.g. "Although members are charged to obey and submit to leaders, this charge is not absolute." My point was that obedience to any other than God is never absolute. This connects to Eph 5:21 because clearly submitting to one another cannot be absolute in the sense of obeying. If you expect me to obey you and I expect you to obey me, who should do the submitting? Since submission cannot be absolute, then obedience cannot be absolute either.

The way I read your #64, you stated that leaders had the right to vet and then followed that with members being “charged to obey and submit to leaders” (strong words), as if submission by church leaders to other members was not a possibility.

Not at all. Church leaders should submit to members as well. We all should submit to one another in the sense of being willing to hear the Holy Spirit speaking from each other. That's the way I interpret it, anyway.

Ephesians 5:21 is a great verse, and I think that it is important to use it appropriately because it introduces Paul’s discussion about the marriage relationship.

It is not necessary to deduce that Ephesians 5:21 applies only to the marriage relationship. I believe it is a general command to all of us about our relationship with every other member.

Can I get an amen to my comments (a retraction?) or some further clarification from you with appropriate verses if you still think that your presentation of leaders vetting who can speak and members being charged to obey those leaders (as long as it doesn’t offend their consciences) has biblical support? In my mind, you made statements in #64, claiming that they were biblical, and then used verses as references that don’t really support those statements. What do you think?

I stand by my interpretation. Nothing you have stated has refuted it. You've only shown you have a different interpretation, though what it is I'm not sure. That's your right, but shouldn't expect me to agree with you.

Then again, I'm only guessing at what your belief is because you never make it clear exactly what you believe about obedience and submission to leaders, only that you think I'm somehow wrong about it.