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Originally Posted by OBW
But Paul was not the basis of the development of the MOTA teaching, at least as you said it. Jesus said he would build his church. Even if he intends to use us (which we know that he is), there is nothing in that particular passage you mentioned that indicated we are anything more than the results. Even though we ultimately know that we are part, that passage does not identify any such part. You need a different passage. And you jumped to Paul's words. That would be the place — not Matthew.
It is one thing to establish that we are part of the process of building the church. But a verse in which Jesus simply says "I will build my church" is not the place from which you develop such an idea. It surely does not establish some kind of super-minister.
So it is reasonable to then look at 1 Cor and the wise master builder. And, once again, there is nothing that I see that supports some super-minister. (And I believe you agree with that.) "A" wise master builder is not "the" wise master builder.
So it would appear that the answer to "are you serious" would be "yes." That passage does not support what it takes other verses to support. And that passage does not give us a part. Others do.
But none of them define a role of MOTA. That is vain imaginations of someone who wants to be the MOTA.
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If you look at your post #19 again you will see that the reference to Jesus word "I will build my church" was support for the teaching that "the church" is "the unique move of God on Earth today". It was not used to support "The" Mota teaching, which as I recall came out of RG's understanding of some strange understanding of the Phil. training.
To my knowledge no one has ever used "I will build my church" as a basis for "the" Mota teaching. Nor did I suggest anyone did.
So to repeat, I made 3 points:
1. I see no NT basis for "the MOTA" teaching.
2. I see no issue with someone saying that WN or WL was "A minister of this age".
3. I also see no issue with someone understanding the Lord's word "I will build my church" to then say that "the church is the Lord's unique move on Earth today". Whether or not you agree is one thing, my point is simply that I feel there is a valid NT basis for this teaching.