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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah
I came to the conclusion many years ago that the church is a hospital. A normal church will have fleshly and sinful members as well as gospel contacts who haven't received the Lord.
But how would anyone who identifies the failings of Christianity not be tarred with this same brush? If you can say that wanting to have an "ideal" church life is snobbery why can't others use that same judgement on you for the criticisms you make of WL and the LRC?
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People can believe what they want. But I'm not saying the LRC is hopeless, I'm just stating where I feel they went wrong, for the benefit of readers. The LRC on the other hand has stated again and again that "Christianity" is hopeless. That's the difference.
Can you see that?
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To me the answer to this dilemma is simple, you are very strict in judging yourself and very general to others. You are very strict in pointing out your own failings and very general in discussing others. This doesn't mean you make excuses for sins (PL, etc.) or blatantly unscriptural actions (quarantine of TC. lawsuits, etc). But someone longing for the "ideal" church life depicted in the NT is not something I feel is for me to judge.
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Well, I understand your point, and believe me I consider my own possible judgmentalism a lot.
But as I said, I'm not saying the LRC is categorically hopeless, as they did of every group other than their own.
It's one thing to call people to do better; it's another to say they have to join you to even be in the game.
I hope people can see that difference.