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Originally Posted by John
Ohio,
Reasonings with bullets
I am surprised by your second bullet about Acts 19, since that was not the case according to the way I read the passage. Further, since you make no point as to how any of the bullets would advance your view, I’ll leave you to turn your observations into support for a specific position ...
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John, you continually return to your theme that there is no formal leadership training program, as you say "Leadership 101," prescribed by the Apostles in the New Testament. I am in complete agreement concerning this. Nothing I have said is to the contrary. (
Neither, however, does the N.T. dictate that all such programs be invalid.) I completely understand this fixation of yours, since I have spent at least as much,
if not more, time as you in LC "training" programs, centered both in Anaheim and Cleveland.
I am concerned, however, that the flavor of your extreme views mimics that of LSM. Your anti-training platform allows you to judge just about every Christian congregation and denomination on earth, the so-called "status quo." Also your statement here is a little frightful: "
I believe that the Lord is fully capable of making a leader of anyone He chooses, whenever He chooses; and, that person doesn’t have to go through any formal educational system. The Lord looks on the heart, as he did with David. David did not sign up for Leadership 101." While no doubt true that He is able, it is exactly the same justification LSM used to exalt their own leader.
Yikes!
As far as using the word "
train" and its variants,I will try to strike it from my vocabulary in lieu of the more scriptural terms "teach" and "disciple," except when referring to LSM. I have personally heard some brothers say that they felt they were treated as "dogs." While I was educated much at the LSM bi-annual trainings, and did have many wonderful experiences with God's children, I do admit that much of what I was taught was wrong, and sowed many seeds of leaven in my heart, which need to be constantly uprooted. Simply stated, LSM now uses its many "trainings" to indoctrinate, manipulate, and abuse its members for self-serving gains.
Hopefully, I have also given you enough information about my perspective to satisfy you. Leadership training programs are neither endorsed nor prohibited by scripture. I am neither for them or against them. They are only as good as those who teach and those who learn. They can never be "THE way," as only Jesus is, yet can be "A way" used by the Spirit for the body of Christ.