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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah
Misses what point? My point is that the WL/PL incident exposes the danger in being a "puppet" church of LSM and that if your in a joint ownership of a meeting hall with LSM in which the church is a minority owner that is a compromised position. Once you put yourself into that position it is much more difficult to deal with PL and instead led to a rubber stamp eldership of EM, etal.
My point is that the response of JI, AK, Godfried and all the "riotous" saints indicates that they were not aware of the precarious position prior to this event.
My point is that their experience is an example for us to learn from.
My point is that if you think it would have been difficult to deal with LSM then, imagine what it would be like now. 30 years ago you could give a message like JS honestly expressing dismay that the church's stand is based on the ministry of a man. Today that would be laughable.
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Originally Posted by Ohio
I believe there is no way to extricate the church from the ministry in such a place as Irving or Anaheim.
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Seems like more of a symptom than the problem itself. Didn't Witness Lee handpick elders in localities all over the place, not just Anaheim and Irving? Hasn't "one hand washing the other" been the norm in the Recovery going back to the 70's, if not earlier? Isn't this the culture that allowed the tangled web of "ministry" and "local church" to develop in the first place?
They were aware of the position they'd put themselves in.
They knew. We all knew.
Witness Lee fishes with a straight hook, after all.