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Hebrews 5:7

"During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission." (NIV)

Where in the gospels do we see loud cries and tears and prayers and petitions to the One who could save Jesus from death?

In the Psalms we see it again, and again. We see "reverent submission"; We see tears and petitions and fasting and groaning.

Psalm 30:8 To you, LORD, I called;
to the Lord I cried for mercy:
9 “What is gained if I am silenced,
if I go down to the pit?
Will the dust praise you?
Will it proclaim your faithfulness?
10 Hear, LORD, and be merciful to me;
LORD, be my help.”

Again and again through the Psalms David is crying out for help, declaring with faith, and praising the One who can save him.

I met some LSM-affiliated believers a couple of months ago. They were waxing poetic about the Psalms. Evidently there has been a "training" on them recently. They said that Psalm 102 shows "Christ in His resurrection and ascension". They showed me an outline by the LSM regarding this. Lots of NT verses regarding resurrection, acension, enthronement.

You know what? They started Psalm 102 at verse 12! I showed them the first 11 verses:

1 Hear my prayer, LORD;
let my cry for help come to you.
2 Do not hide your face from me
when I am in distress.
Turn your ear to me;
when I call, answer me quickly.

3 For my days vanish like smoke;
my bones burn like glowing embers.
4 My heart is blighted and withered like grass;
I forget to eat my food.
5 In my distress I groan aloud
and am reduced to skin and bones.
6 I am like a desert owl,
like an owl among the ruins.
7 I lie awake; I have become
like a bird alone on a roof.
8 All day long my enemies taunt me;
those who rail against me use my name as a curse.
9 For I eat ashes as my food
and mingle my drink with tears
10 because of your great wrath,
for you have taken me up and thrown me aside.
11 My days are like the evening shadow;
I wither away like grass.

I guess the first 11 verses was just David in his natural concepts, trying to do good. Just ignore the tears and cries, and go right to the revelation of Christ in ascension. Anyway, when I showed them the first 11 verses, they just stared at me blankly. No "Amens". It wasn't covered in the training.

Okaaaaaaaay.....