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Originally Posted by Ohio
Wow! What set you off? Someone finds a helpful verse, and you go off about the last concert you went to. Better stay home and listen to the Moodies on your iPod.  |
This was not about being "set off." It is an observation. A very calm one. And not making a condemnation of the particular verses being brought up.
It was a statement of a general consideration of mine that is always around. Is there any inkling of doubt that it is contrary to God's righteous law to defend a sexual predator as the organizational leader of a Christian ministry that is for all intents and purposes running a denomination? Do you need a verse to tell you that it is so? Do you feel better because someone found the verse?
Now if we were looking for the verse that would help to convince someone who knew of PL's sin yet thought that the defense of his was right, then I would hope it would help to change their mind. To bring their thinking to "wisdom" in the matter.
But the wise don't need Proverbs to make this particular judgment. If we are simply getting wowed that we found a verse that says exactly what we are facing, what is it to the wise? And I think that many of us here are at least somewhat wise. Including 77150. We didn't need a verse to get our emotions or will stirred up about PL, WL, the BBs, etc.
And we weren't bringing it to those who need to see it. Proverbs would appear to be, for all intents and purposes, a book of instruction for a somewhat young son to study and take to heart as he begins to face the world on his own. It is much more robust than "don't touch the stove! It's hot!" yet despite its length and coverage, much less that the totality of everything that will be faced. It gives wise counsel for reference until the wisdom of it is ingrained and more wisdom is gained. So, among other things, it tells him to be careful how he answers a fool. And to note that unlawful people too often defend even more unrighteousness (unlawfulness).
Our reading of it should be to learn something of wisdom that we do not already know. Picking through it to find evidence of what we already know to be true is not really helpful. Unless we are trying to find evidence of what someone else does not seem to agree to and finding a more authoritative source (scripture is hopefully considered more authoritative) is needed.
And an observation that I find in certain people who constantly quote verses in response to virtually everything. They too often are more satisfied that they have found a verse than they are desirous of being the mentor, comfort, encourager, etc., that is needed.
Once again, I am not saying that 77150 is one of those people. I actually don't see it that way. But at the same time, are we just having a Bible study centered around scriptural evidence of the errors of the LSM leadership in defending PL, or are we trying to find a way to confront those who were unlawful?
It is what I consider a legitimate "point of order" in the discussion. Where is it going? Why is it going there? Do we really care? If, so, why do we care? Is it because it is important to go there? Or is it a distraction — intentional or not?
You really need to consider that much of what I think about and post about is not about being "set off." It is simply my observations. If they do not seem to be consistent with what you think is right, take it on. Let's discuss it. Try not to let the emotions of being questioned create the presumption that I or any one else has been "set off."