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Originally Posted by Cassidy
Well then Ohio, if this "just as" and "even as we" spoken of by Jesus concerning the oneness between the Father, the Son, and the believers is mysterious then it is understandable why the statement "just as" from Witness Lee will also appear mysterious to you since John 17 is part of the whole line of his teaching on this topic.
But you said you understood what Witness Lee's teachings being a part of the group for decades. Somewhere there was a deviation from your understanding of his teachings on this particular topic else you would have been able to reconcile the 4-in-1 statement with John 17: 20-22 and done so effortlessly without any concern about the scriptural integrity of the teaching, and the words "just as" would not have been the point of disagreement.
In my view, "just as" is mysterious but knowable, profound yet a reality, counter-intuitive to the mind yet to be experienced.
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Dear
Cassidy, the "
deviation" as you label it, occurred as I explained in my other posts.
Regardless of how "
effortlessly" these teachings should be "
reconciled," without our concerns about their "
spiritual integrity," these teachings and their teacher still need to pass certain biblical tests. I already had given WL and his ministry every benefit of the doubt for close to thirty years. No one could question my devotedness nor my loyalty to the ministry of WL and the cause of the Recovery. The real "
deviation" in any of WL's teachings has to be weighed against the scripture.
Regardless of how good and how convincing and how effortlessly the teachings of any minister seem to "reconcile," they must be compared to scripture and they must be evaluated by the scriptural tests afforded to us. I noticed that you sideswiped the comments which I had made about these "tests." Perhaps it would be wise for you to consider them.
WL draws some conclusions here, but we must evaluate the hypocrisy that surrounded him and his ministry. If he is going to teach something new in the way of recovery, shouldn't his ministry also exemplify that teaching? The Apostle Paul was our pattern in this regard. He did help to clarify the teachings of the new Covenant, but he also was a pattern of God's love and righteousness. He was not like the "many" peddling the word of God.
In this regard, WL failed miserably. He taught us something new and something higher about "oneness" from John 17, yet nothing at LSM matched this "oneness." By condemning all of Christianity, and promoting his "high peak teachings," he set himself up as a pattern. He was forced to live a higher standard. His integrity, or lack thereof, was on full display. These are the tests the Bible provides. How can I continue to hold onto all of WL's special teachings about "oneness," when both he and his closest adherents continually violated these special teachings?