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Originally Posted by UntoHim
From ZNPaaneah's opening post:
Maybe before we go further, I would like to get some clarification from ZNP on what he means by the "extra step". Please be specific and point us to a specific post that you see as taking this extra step. If you have time, please point to the specific phrase or wording which you feel crosses the line. Please do your best to be as "factual" as possible, addressing the issue at hand and not the person. Feel free to shoot the message but not the messenger, unless the messenger happens to be me.... I'm holding myself out as fair game in this respect.
Admittedly, I feel that for the most part what is happening on the Forum is the judging of the truth, teachings and sin. Maybe there are some who have crossed the line and I have simply missed the post. Maybe I've seen it and look at it differently. In any event, as I have stated many times, I would like to see this Forum as a "safe and sane" place for all concerned to come and dialog, and I am deeply committed to this. As we all know, there is simply no other venue for current Local Church members to have open and honest dialog, or even to have access to information regarding the true history of Witness Lee and the Local Church.
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Sure the wording was this "Whether [WL] was a true servant of God is now up for review". We have reviewed his teachings. We have discussed his sins. I also agree with you that we can judge him to be a "false apostle" and we have discussed this in great detail. I understand this may have been the intended meaning in "true servant of God". However, I feel this crosses the line and can also imply his standing before the Lord. I think the last two posts I have made explain in detail the distinction.
So although Paul told the Corinthians to "purge out the old leaven" and that he had "judged concerning him" I don't think he ever went over the line to "judge him". Rather he judged the sin. When he said that causing divisions is not serving Christ but their own bellies, he was judging the sin, not the sinner.
This may seem like a fine distinction, but you can't accurately judge the sinner unless you can know the heart, and we can't know the heart, only Jesus does.