[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by Cassidy

The first one was that after the believers have been justified by faith they are saved in His life (Romans 5:10) . Some said they agree and others didn't but all quickly gravitated to the argument that PL or WL taught that we only need to care for life so they could cover up sin for example. Therefore, a dismissal of that truth.

Sorry, can't let you just slide by with this one. Please point us to the exact post where somebody disagreed that "after the believers have been justified by faith they are saved in His life". I'll deal with this issue IF and when you can point me to the exact post.

The second one was on the matter of oneness (Acts 2:1-2) where again no matter the initial view it quickly gravitated to an argument that oneness was used as control mechanism of some sort by WL therefore division is better than a "false oneness". So, a dismissal of that truth.

Since when is "oneness", as it is practiced among Christians, an essential "truth"? Of course oneness with a man and his ministry was used as a control mechanism by Witness Lee, this is a historical fact - it's been well documented on this and other forums for years now. I'd be happy to debate this with you, but maybe not here and now.

The third one was "Let God be true and every man a liar" (Romans 3:4) which folks quickly gravitated to the suspicion that I was using that verse to sweep the something under rug.

Man, it was already a 2-0 count and you just bounced that one to the plate. As you probably have gathered by now, nothing gets swept under the rug around here, at least not anything that has to do with wrongdoings in the Local Church. But if you have gumption and wherewithal to defend these, then more power to you.

I am certain all discussions about these truths will always end up with stories about the sins, failings, and motives of others and thereby dismiss the truth such as was done with the matters regarding the life of Christ, the oneness of the believers, and the undeniable righteousness and truthfulness of God mentioned above.

Nah, you got the wrong forum. You gotta do a lot better then this. No real, biblical truths are dismissed around here, but the mere teachings and practices established by a mere man and his followers have indeed been challenged, found wanting and dismissed on a regular basis though. I have been challenging current Local Church members to come and put up a defense for years now. Not many takers. You sound like you're game and I'm very happy about that.

I say scriptural truths should stand on their own merits based on the Bible and if they are believed or not then that is up the individual, but these thematic arguments about PL's sins , BB's, Titus Chu, and WL' motives are not relevant when evaluating these and other truths.

Agreed. We can separate the two. I'm all for it. So long as you are willing to separate essential "scriptural truths" from the non essential interpretations of Witness Lee. If your "thematic arguments" are going to be based upon the assumption that Witness Lee's teachings are to be considered equal to "scriptural truths" then we will probably be spinning our wheels. Just sayin.