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Originally Posted by Igzy
Harold, since I know your are watching I hope and believe you know that I was not being mean. Some of these guys around here are panic-stricken over what I said, but I know you're not because I know you know what I meant.
You said you were going to shut up. I just called that bluff, and a bluff it was. Your comment was snotty and out of line. You're a big boy and you know that.
Every cynic is a closet romantic. And you are a prime example of that. Cynics want us to believe that everything is too corrupt for them. But the fact is nothing is good enough for them, because they are closet idealists. They've raised their standard too high because they've been hurt and don't want to get hurt again.
Whether or not we like it (and we should) God has chosen to work through people. He speaks through them. Some of that speaking is inerrant. We call that "the Bible." Jesus affirmed the whole Old Testament. So if you believe in Jesus, you should believe the OT. Once you jettison the Word, or start picking and choosing which parts of it you are going to believe, you've left solid ground and are in a dangerous place.
Don't think that you can find truth simply by following "the Spirit." Even Jesus didn't do that. When he was being tested in the wilderness and seemed to even begin to hallucinate, he went back to the Word. That's our example.
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Hey, I just look at it like it has been the LCD version of "The Roast of Weird Harold."
I've had some good belly laughs.
The line I liked the most came from dear bro Ohio : "Harold is a church of one." That's close to the mark, and a new way of looking at myself. I've always considered myself "A cult of one."
And concerning your words about Jesus and the Old Testament ; the Bible is all we got. Sure we got other early accounts, but they are dubious.
And the OT was what they had back in those days. What other reference point did they have? Jesus was a Jew. Paul was a Jew. All the first Christians were Jews.
Do you think Jesus or anyone else would reference Hindu scriptures, or Taoist, or Buddhist holy writ?
However, if you're gonna dig back, for your references, trying to find elements of what people back then thought of Jesus, and what he was/is, you'll have better luck looking into the Greek/Roman pantheon mythologies than the OT.
I know the claim, out here, is, that I make statements I can't back up. True. But that's because of the nature and narrow mission of this forum. Not because I'm' not willing to go into thorough detail and argumentation. Doing so would unquestionably take the forum off course. (Altho, we've allowed talks of UFOs and ETs, which is out in left field on LCD, if you ask me ... unless Lee was an ET, of course...ET from heaven....)
So I have to shorten how I back up my statements ... and then leave the rest of it up to you to look into my claim yourself ... if you're inclined.
And my backup to this claim that, you'll find better results trying to figure out what Jesus was thought of in the minds of those 2000 years ago, and since, and why Christianity was so inclined to spread in the Roman world, by looking into the Greco-Roman world I say :
The story of Jesus is like the stories of the children of Zeus ...
The rest is then up to you. I'm saying if you look into it, you'll likely be quite surprised at how well it fits ... considering how minds, even of Jews, were working back then ... and the Roman powers and influences 'that be' were working back then ...
"The Way" did not come up out of a vacuum ... nor did Jesus come as an ET, in a hidden spaceship. All the minds back then were thoroughly soused with Greek/Roman teachings, plays, dramas, writings, learning, and the Greek Roman whole works. It couldn't be avoided or escaped. And it had an impact on the formation of "The Way." The Greco-Roman systems were lubrication for The Way. The Jesus story wasn't a new story back then, and could be easily accepted by minds steeped in the Greek Roman world, which was pretty much everyone ....
I've said too much ... and suppose should shut up again ...
Come closer bro Igzy. Let me pat you on the back and stick the knife in yer ribs ...
And if you were truly a straight shooter, like you claim, you would have just come right out and called me the Anti-Christ ... or at least a serpent and viper, trying to poison everyone .. with truths that lead to lies (whatever that means - sounds like being accuse of "using Witness Lee's works to destroy Witness Lee's works," to me ... and just as silly .... good laugh tho ... thanks fer that ... Oh! Now everything is a joke to me, again. I'm in a no win situation ...