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Originally Posted by Igzy
Paul,
Please explain how you can submit to someone and not obey him. Seems like the so-called "submission" is a farce in that case.
We should honor authorities and submit to them as conscience allows. But when the Lord leads us we have to obey him. Christians should not have a "rebellious spirit," they should honor the authorities. But once you disobey you are not submitting, so submission can never be "absolute." Like I said, it sounds good (actually it doesn't even sound good, but that's another story) but it doesn't ultimately make any sense. Nowhere does the Bible say submission is absolute.
As I said, this is just another teaching which is being leveraged to control people.
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There are many examples that you can pick up from the Bible but since you have chosen not to see them it is true that they will be hard to find and digest them.
Anyway, please re-read my earlier post and I am re-posting it right here. Please consider to pray-read the referenced Scriptures for enlightenment.
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SUBMISSION BEING ABSOLUTE, BUT OBEDIENCE BEING RELATIVE
Submission is a matter of attitude, but obedience is a matter of conduct. Acts 4:19 says, “But Peter and John answered and said to them, Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, you judge.” The apostles, however, were not rebellious in their spirit; they were still submitting to all those who were in authority. Obedience is not absolute. Some authorities we have to obey, but others we cannot obey. The latter include those who touch on basic matters of the Christian faith, such as our belief in the Lord and the liberty of preaching the gospel. A son can say anything to his father. But there cannot be any attitude of rebellion. Our submission should always be absolute. In some matters we can be obedient at the same time that we are submissive. In other matters we cannot be obedient, but we still have to remain submissive. All these are a matter of attitude.
Acts 15 is an example of a church conference. In a conference we can suggest or debate. But when the decision is reached, everyone should be submissive.
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