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Old 08-25-2011, 09:17 AM   #25
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Default Re: Combating LC Arguments

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Originally Posted by aron View Post
The title of this thread is "Combating LC Arguments". who was an apostle after Paul, and John and Peter were gone? The Bible doesn't say. It doesn't say "there will be more" and it doesn't say "there will not be more".
The Bible may not say WHO were the apostles after the original 12 departed but it does say in Ephesians 4 there would be SOME apostles, etc...
However, I think the church as a religious institution twisted the meaning of Ephesians 4:10-12.

The 'apostles' I have been acquainted with all have an agenda. I am personally acquainted with one who came to my neck of my woods from S Africa around 2003/4. I see soo much parellelism between he & Lee but savier & more cunning than Lee. He has "planted" over 200 churches mostly in S Africa. The 'pastors' teach exactly what he teaches and of course they tithe at least 10 percent of their 'income' from the congregants to the ministry of the 'apostle'. If I saw pureness and complete Truth in what he teaches, I would not have a problem. But he like many out there, twist the Word of God to suit their 'business' needs.

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So Igzy and Ohio and the rest of us are left with our logic.
Aww. But Aaron, I stand firm by Faith on 1 Corinthinians 2:16:
For who has known or understood the Mind (the Counsels and Purposes) of the Lord so as to guide and instruct Him and give Him knowledge? But we have the mind of Christ (the Messiah) and do hold the thoughts of His heart. Let not your heart be troubled by Igzy or Ohio's thoughts. We are not all on the same page.

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I go with Igzy here: the mass of christianity has not recognized the title of apostle since the Bible concluded.
Among the 'charasmatics' or 'Word of Faith' crowd, there are lots of 'apostles'. Lots!! And most of them are

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Catholics think the pope is, the Mormons think their boss is an apostle, and the LCs think Mssrs Nee & Lee were. But there is no consensus, so it is really moot.
It's not as moot for me as it might be for you because some of the threads on this forum have helped me put man's 'church' into perspective. Most 'Christians' have turned the Word of God into a business venture. People pay $$$ to become 'ordained pastors'. People pay $$$ to go to 'bible college'. If you don't pay your 'tithes & offerings', "YOU" are stealing from God!!!! Bad boy/Bad girl!!! "Bring your friends to church!!" I hear over & over. Why? So they can open up their wallets ??? Maybe it's not like that everywhere but it sure is true in the bible belt.

Much of what happened in the LC under Lee's leadership has & continues to happen elsewhere in Christianity. The difference I have noticed is when I was in the LC, following the message, the congregants were given the opportunity to build up the message. At home gatherings, everyone discussed Lee's messages. And when we quoted a scripture or passage, it was as Lee saw it.

In 'degraded' Christianity, the congregants are mute following a sermon. (Lee gave messages, never 'sermons'. :rollingeyes2

That said, I am not an 'island'. I do listen and respect preachers who teach the Word of God because they KNOW Him. I can listen to 2 preachers teach or preach virtually the same thing and one will be anointed, that is be in the Presence of God strongly and the other not. This also does not mean the 'anointed' preacher/teacher is always under the anointing when he/she teaches or preaches.

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So the trinity, and the rapture, and apostleship, and other subjects not clearly stated and open to interpretation might best not be argued, but loosely held.
Maybe so Aaron but we should search the scriptures prayerfully to find the answers. God promises He will reveal His Secrets to us and give us understanding ! So search the scriptures ! Ask the Lord for Wisdom & Understanding! He'll give them to you !! Then you can share w/others what the Lord revealed to you and encourage them in the Faith!

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Jeremiah 33:2-3
2 “This is what the Lord says—the Lord who made the earth, who formed and established it, whose name is the Lord: 3 Ask me and I will tell you remarkable secrets you do not know about things to come.
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Luke 8:9-11
His disciples asked Him what this parable meant. 10 He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets[a] of the Kingdom of God. But I use parables to teach the others so that the Scriptures might be fulfilled:

‘When they look, they won’t really see.
When they hear, they won’t understand.’

11 “This is the meaning of the parable: The Seed is God’s word.
One more:
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1 Corinthians 2:10
It was to us that God revealed these things by His Spirit. For His Spirit searches out everything and shows us God’s deep secrets.
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