[YP0534]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Ok YP, very well then. I'll stick with 1 Cor 15:45 a little while if you promise to play nice

I must say that your "a banana - the banana" illustration is really like comparing apples to oranges

I am sure that you would agree that every time the word pneuma is used, is is not always referring to the Person of the Holy Spirit. Furthermore, you are quite mistaken regarding the usages of articles in biblical Greek. Many times they do indeed make a substantial and meaningful difference (you see I didn't sleep through every one of those classes in my 3 semesters of biblical Greek)

Anyway, I will still continue to beat the drum of the orthodox view of the Trinity as stated by so many of the early church fathers and a number of the early creeds - To wit... Our God is one. Our God is three Persons, The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit who are equal is substance, holiness power and glory. As I think I may have states before...God is one is a way that we cannot fully comprehend or understand...He is also three is a way that we cannot fully comprehend for understand... What He is not (or should I say what He does not do) is CHANGE. One Person of the Godhead does not "become" one of the others - No way, No how. God does not even "change economically" or "in His economy for His move on earth" any more then He changes essentially. This IS the crux of the matter as far as I can see.

There is a case of deja vu going on here for me.

Here's the deal:

I most certainly did NOT say that the article NEVER means anything. To the contrary, I gave an example of a place where I think it matters very much, which once again was not addressed.

Your Greek education notwithstanding, you still have not addressed my very simple illustration of the problem with your analysis except to make a (rather poor) joke about fruit. You could change the object on the table to any other article you might find less amusing if it would assist you in comprehending the pertinent issue in the illustration. Sometimes, the distinction between the articles is meaningless.

But I'm not even concerned about either of these things, any more so than I was a little while ago. Homey don't play that. That's all.

So, again, please beat your drum loudly if this pleases you.

I said it before. It's your place and I'm just a guest here.

But if I want orthodoxy, I'll just find a Jesuit.