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Originally Posted by OBW
Not sure that being "in the loop" is "based on . . . teachings" (bogus or otherwise). It may be that there are bogus teachings being spread around within the loop. But being "in the loop" is a matter of being somehow connected at a level such that you know what is going on — at least on certain issues.
I don't see the teachings, bogus or otherwise, being the cause of the loop. The loop is simply the position to have some level of knowledge of what is going on.
And yet, even if the elders had been talking positively with Jane & John (J&J) prior to Benson coming along with a different take on what was happening, it doesn't make them truly "in the loop." It just means that their activities and intents were known by the elders, and even seemingly approved by them. That is far from "in the loop." It would appear that there was much going on that was not made known to J&J that you would think would be known by someone in the loop. For one, it is likely that there would have been some indication that there were concerns about where they were headed.
Instead, it looks more like a kind of oversight by the elders of what they were doing that had one appearance but instead hid a season of discussion leading a different way and ultimately resulting in evidence that J&J never had any real idea what was going on.
That is not "in the loop." And even if the blow-up had never occurred, there is nothing on the table so far that suggests that they were in the loop — just "in fellowship" concerning their particular ministry.
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Mike, you can read my post #20 to get a better understanding of what I was saying to ZNP and the limited meaning of "in the loop" that I applied. ZNP introduced the idea that the sisters were "out of the loop" with the elders, meaning elders would not know what they were fellowshipping about. I wrote what I did in post #20 about Sandee and us to show him this was not true. I was not using the term to mean that John or I or Sandee R and the sisters with her knew everything that was going on with the elders, but to show that contrary to ZNP's assertion the elders were getting information directly from the sisters.
I plan to respond to ZNPs long post (#25) which was a response to mine (#20) as soon as I have time.
Note: the current dialogue between ZNP and me began with his post #10. The back and forth that followed is found in post #14, #17, #20, and #25.
Thankful Jane