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Originally Posted by David
So you agree that we become holy, making my point.
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Only if your point is that we do become holy. But that is decidedly not your point. Unless I am misreading you, you have gone to great lengths to try to establish that somehow we become Christ, or Christ becomes us.
That is the point that you started with when you said "
Col 3.11 says Jesus is us!" But Colossians does not say that. You counter by putting the passage in a post reading "
Christ is all, and in all." And no one has said that this is not true. But that does not make Christ simply us. Or us simply Christ.
And then you post the passage in Revelation that says "
For you alone are holy." So I explain how that statement, as true as it is, does not deny that we can be holy without actually being Christ. But you do not counter my argument, just misrepresent it by saying "
So you agree that we become holy, making my point."
If your desire is debate, you should at least beware that I am not your average fool. (I am clearly an above-average fool — and this is where a tongue-in-cheek smiley would come in handy.)
If your desire is to have a discussion among reasonable people about the meaning of certain passages (in a sort of "come, let us reason" mode) then you need to be as willing to actually consider and respond to what I say as I am to what you say. So far, I have provided reasonable analysis of your "points" yet you have simply run to different evidence without responding to what I say. Then you obviously don't respond to my last post, but act as if I have said something consistent with what you are saying. If you read scripture like you responded to my comments the it would not seem that there is any actual good-faith effort to discuss.
Prove me wrong.