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Originally Posted by Igzy
As I said before, if the one city-church principle is really viable, then there must be a better means of solving these problems than simply pretending that it is evident to everyone exactly who the elders are and who the apostle is. Your claim of "simplicity" is being refuted by situations in real cities as we speak. Real people have been hurt by their being expected to pretend simplicity exists where there is none.
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Igzy:
All of your considerations proceed upon implicit foundations about worldy organizational principles and authority, which is exactly where Witness Lee, the Local Church and all of its good Christian members became confused in the first place.
I submit to you that the Lord's model is absolutely about simplicity and that all of the complications are due to the fallen humans involved in a power struggle.
In the assembly, none has any power but the Head. The LSM and GLA groups can argue until the Lord returns for all I care but from my view way over here I can't see how either of them can lay claim to the "apostleship" or "eldership" of the "church" in those places except in terms of the fallen denominational structures they claim to decry.
When we speak about the assembly and the functioning of the gifts to the Body, we're just completely not in the realm of associations and institutions and titles and heirarchies and such, which is altogether wrapped up in the power struggle between the two branches of this denomination.
You would like to say which was right because people get hurt when they don't know who is right. But the reason people are getting hurt is because both are wrong and cannot become right. Just like Lee encouraged those people so long ago now to come out of the divisions and just meet in the proper oneness, that is the relevant charge to them today. All of the struggling about who is right, all of it, is the evidence that both are wrong.
That whole mess really sickens me, sorry to the supporters of either side who might be offended by this statement.